Close Menu
  • Login
  • Support Us
  • Newsletter
  • News
  • Features
  • Interviews
  • Reviews
    • Video Games
      • Previews
      • PC
      • PS5
      • Xbox Series X/S
      • Nintendo Switch
      • Xbox One
      • PS4
      • Tabletop
    • Film
    • TV
    • Anime
    • Comics
      • BOOM! Studios
      • Dark Horse Comics
      • DC Comics
      • IDW Publishing
      • Image Comics
      • Indie Comics
      • Marvel Comics
      • Oni-Lion Forge
      • Valiant Comics
      • Vault Comics
  • Podcast
  • More
    • Event Coverage
    • BWT Recommends
    • RSS Feeds
Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram
Support Us
But Why Tho?
RSS Facebook X (Twitter) YouTube
Trending:
  • Features
    EA Sports Madden NFL 26 Head Coach But Why Tho 5

    Dear EA Sports, Why Can’t I Make A Hot Coach?

    08/14/2025
    Blade in Marvel Rivals Season 3.5

    Blade Can Shut Down The Other Team In Marvel Rivals Season 3.5 If You Know How

    08/08/2025
    John Cena and Cody Rhodes during Summerslam 2025

    The SummerSlam 2025 Main Event Was A Fever Dream We All Needed

    08/08/2025
    Street Fighter 6 Sagat

    Sagat Brings Depth And Approachability To ‘Street Fighter 6’

    08/07/2025
    Battlefield 6 Classes - Support trailer image

    Battlefield 6 Really Wants You To Play Support (But Knows You Won’t)

    07/31/2025
  • Indie Games
  • K-Dramas
  • Netflix
  • Apple TV+
But Why Tho?
Home » TV » REVIEW: ‘The Idol,’ Episode 5 — “Jocelyn Forever”

REVIEW: ‘The Idol,’ Episode 5 — “Jocelyn Forever”

Cidnya SilvaBy Cidnya Silva07/02/20235 Mins ReadUpdated:07/02/2023
The Idol Episode 5 — But Why Tho
Share
Facebook Twitter Pinterest Reddit WhatsApp Email

The Idol Episode 5 — But Why Tho

The Idol Episode 5, from The Weeknd and Sam Levinson, spirals downward for the last time. From seeing Xander get tortured to Jocelyn continuously being a pawn to Tedros, Episode 5 is a mess of a finale that is both egregiously written and grossly uninspired.

Get BWT in your inbox!

Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and get the latest and greated in entertainment coverage.
Click Here

Get BWT in your inbox!

Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and get the latest and greated in entertainment coverage.
Click Here

Beginning with an argument between Jocelyn and Tedros about Jocelyn’s authenticity, it fits right into how The Idol refuses to let Joss be her own entity. As she attempts to edit her music, she stands her ground and wants Tedros to leave. She feels he’s done enough to her and wants him out of her life. He berates her about her needs and in a surprise pivot of direction, Jocelyn digs into how Tedros is a creepy, obsessed loser. Jocelyn holds no reservations about detailing the stalking and manipulation Tedros used to worm his way into her life and while Lily-Rose Depp gives her all to this confrontation, The Weeknd fails to impress. His acting undermines the power Jocelyn is finally given as his lackluster performance is grating and distracting.

Jocelyn continues to reclaim her power by taking her new music to her label and enacting a game plan to sell her new world tour. It’s this sprinkle of dynamic change that showcases Depp’s ability to play a flawed, interesting character. It sucks that her power is tied up to Tedros because her dialogue is consistently interrupted by his agitation toward her. His abusive nature is apparent if a viewer knows what to look for. He asks why she didn’t tell him about her plans, how could she do this to him, and that she’s uninspired without him. Tedros keeps attempting to pull Jocelyn towards him, trying to plant guilt and belittling her.

Tedros being in the scene still feels trite and embarrassing for The Weeknd. How do two male writers expect a character to regain her power if they refuse to let Jocelyn shine in a scene all by herself? It’s clear that they cannot commit to positioning anyone higher in power than Tedros. Whether it’s at the hands of The Weeknd wanting a lingering camera on him at all times or it really is terrible writing, it’s painful that a show invested in wanting to say something important about the underbelly of stardom isn’t brave enough to say anything new in The Idol Episode 5.

The rest of the episode centers on Jocelyn trying to convince her record company about her tour plans with her newly adopted music cult. This could be something not seen a lot in current media but instead feels like a fever dream of Tedros’ concoction. He continues to undermine her and he fights with her industry people, claiming her talent and her ideas as his own. The subplot focuses on Leia (Rachel Sennot) trying to figure out why Jocelyn’s ex is being accused of being a rapist.

I think many aspects from characterization to dialogue in The Idol are astoundingly bad but this takes the cake. Yet another way to minimize Jocelyn’s attempt to stand on her own, she is positioned to either go along with the accusations leaked to the media by Tedros and his followers or silently hold on to the truth for herself. Her own complicated relationship with her ex is a fact that makes her opinion of him unreliable. When she stands up to Tedros, dialogue like, “I’m going to kill you B****!” feels like a mockery of the severity of the issue and a gross continuation of his abusive nature.

This episode is a mess of half-baked ideas that cannot land. Hearing Jocelyn finally perform her new song to Finkelstein (Eli Roth) was one of the best scenes of The Idol Episode 5 and the show in general. A song where lyrics describe her own imprisonment towards men who view her as an object resonates but is cut with footage of Tedros being arrested. It can’t be understated how good Depp is as a translator for the emotional and visceral and viewers cannot enjoy it fully without The Weeknd. It’s frustrating that anything interesting is derailed by the male gaze of power.

The most baffling sentiment within The Idol Episode 5 is the ending, which paints Tedros as Jocelyn’s savior, as well as the love of her life in a six-week time jump. After standing up to her abuser, kicking him out of her life, and regaining her agency as she embarks on a sold-out world tour, she props him up on her stage. Words cannot describe how insidious and trite the idea of a woman still desiring the man who manipulated her life, art, and friends through obsessive stalking and abusive control is. There is a seed planted that this decision is to elevate Jocelyn into a position of power over Tedros. However, if that was their intention, it was executed with no explanation or reasoning for Jocelyn’s decision rendering it a poorly written story beat.

It’s very rare that I find so much disappointment in a piece of media that could have been so good if the showrunners were not dedicated to painting female suffering for the male gaze. The Idol Episode 5 reminds us that, according to Sam Levinson and The Weeknd, Jocelyn can only live forever if she’s tied eternally to her abuser.

The Idol is streaming now on MAX.

The Idol Episode 5
  • 3/10
    Rating - 3/10
3/10

TL;DR

The Idol Episode 5 reminds us that, according to Sam Levinson and The Weeknd, Jocelyn can only live forever if she’s tied eternally to her abuser.

Share. Facebook Twitter Pinterest LinkedIn WhatsApp Reddit Email
Previous ArticleREVIEW: ‘King The Land,’ Episodes 5-6
Next Article REVIEW: ‘Liar Liar,’ Episode 1 — “The King and the Lie”
Cidnya Silva

An avid reader since childhood, Cidnya has always surrounded her free time with pop culture. From watching horror movies to playing JRPGs, Cidnya loves to consume and immerse herself in various fictional worlds. Some of their favorite things include Twin Peaks, Batman, Kingdom Hearts, Coffee, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Related Posts

Alien Earth Episode 1 and Episode 2 still from FX and Hulu
9.5

REVIEW: ‘Alien: Earth’ Episode 1-2 — “Neverland” and “Mr. October”

08/18/2025
Vanessa Kirby in Night Always Comes on Netflix But Why Tho
5.0

REVIEW: ‘Night Always Comes’ Lacks Purpose

08/16/2025
Foundation Season 3 Episode 6 promotional still
8.0

RECAP: ‘Foundation’ Season 3 Episode 6 — “The Shape of Time”

08/15/2025
Butterfly first look images from Prime Video
9.0

REVIEW: ‘Butterfly’ Continues Prime Video’s Spy Thriller Streak

08/13/2025
Trigger promotional image from Netflix
8.0

REVIEW: ‘Trigger’ Is Netflix’s Most Disturbing Series

08/08/2025
Foundation Season 3 Episode 5 promo image from AppleTV+
7.0

RECAP: ‘Foundation’ Season 3 Episode 5 — “Where Tyrants Spend Eternity”

08/08/2025

Get BWT in your inbox!

Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and get the latest and greated in entertainment coverage.
Click Here
TRENDING POSTS
Still from Shin Godzilla
8.5
Film

REVIEW: ‘Shin Godzilla’ Is More Relevant Than Ever

By Sarah Musnicky08/16/2025Updated:08/17/2025

It is understandable how Shin Godzilla succeeded at the box office nearly a decade ago. The strength of its story still stands today.

Botanical Bliss Update Palia But Why Tho 5 News

Palia’s New Botanical Bliss Update Brings New Flora, Decorations, And Quest Mechanic

By Matt Donahue08/18/2025Updated:08/18/2025

The Botanical Bliss update adds new event, more plushes, and a host of quality-of-life improvements and more to celebrate 2 years of Palia.

BOOTS Netflix First Look promotional images News

First Look at Coming-of-Age Story BOOTS, Coming to Netflix This October

By But Why Tho?08/17/2025

Netflix is reporting for duty this fall with the new eight-episode series BOOTS, a comedic drama starring Miles Heizer and Vera Farmiga

Nuestra Magia Secret Lair Art Interviews

EXCLUSIVE: How The ‘Nuestra Magia’ Secret Lair Found Its Identity And Raised Over $1M

By Kate Sánchez08/15/2025Updated:08/15/2025

We spoke with Ovidio Cartagena about Magic: The Gathering’s Nuestra Magia Secret Lair drop, its impact, and the real treasure within.

But Why Tho?
Facebook X (Twitter) Instagram Pinterest RSS YouTube Twitch
  • CONTACT US
  • ABOUT US
  • PRIVACY POLICY
  • SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER
  • Review Score Guide
Sometimes we include links to online retail stores. If you click on one and make a purchase we may receive a small contribution.
Written Content is Copyright © 2025 But Why Tho? A Geek Community

Type above and press Enter to search. Press Esc to cancel.

But Why Tho Logo

Support Us!

We're able to keep making content thanks to readers like YOU!
Support independent media today with
Click Here